Sticker abuse

[10secvega]

Me and Dadham where coming out of Niles today,And what passes me a red 4door Mazda M6 with a "Knights" sticker in the back window.The windows where tinted but a girl was driving it.Who is this?I don't care about stickers in daily drivers but an Import should be a big NO NO??

[Lucky]

I gotta go with Kev on this one. The FIRST rule of this club is, and I quote... "AMERICAN MADE REAR WHEEL DRIVE."

Sticker in the wife's 'Sploder? Sure! In the girlfriend's FWD GTO? Ehhhh, OK. In the wife's girlfriend's (lucky you!) Yukon? Yep!

In a MAZDA??? NOPE!!!!

[10secvega]

Does anyone know who this is?

[Lucky]

I'm moving this thread to "War Room".

Noone is gonna see it in here.....

[10secvega]

I'm moving this thread to "War Room".

Noone is gonna see it in here.....
OK wanted to ask the RT members first.

[onefastermonte85]

Ya we put it in our truck back windows but their the white ones, and leave the good ones for the cars. Dude i'd flip on that chic who had it, G/fs cars should not have the stickers on it..

[MILNER]

hey kev arent you on the sticker removal crew. thats a no brainer dude, shoulda drove it like you stole it to catch her. I here by deputize all members as sticker removal crew, DO NOT DAMAGE THE CAR just remove the sticker!

[onefastermonte85]

the stickers are $5 bucks i'd make that a topic at the next meeting, if people dont want to lose $$$ by losing the stickers they better get em off now or in the future learn.... GOOD IDEA i'm going to discuss that in my 1.5 hour ramble on the 19th of feb... Speaking of that lucky, does anyone else speak other then you at your meetings? because most of the guys get stage fright here.

[i'm drivin']

now before i jump on the band wagon here was this the sticker with the red around it???? or is it the plain white one? cause if its the plain white one sometimes we cant help what our daily drivers are, and as it was explained to me the pure white ones are for recognition of members and members immediate families in case of trouble on the roadside so that we know its one of us, well that is just one aspect of the sticker but i mean doesnt someone have one in their minivan?? now that may be american made but its definitely not rearwheel drive, but it is there cause they are one of us. just wondering what the thoughts are here about this

[chevy2kid]

this is bens girlfriend.....i will be racing with you guys and i want to be a member but i wanted to leave a open spot for someone else if they wanted to join cuz i heard memberships were getting filled.....but i want a sticker on my race car if i ever get one.:fordpower
Valerie

[Little Z28]

Lucky, can I run a sticker on my racecar if I pay for one even though I'm only 19? Can't think about being a member for a few years, but just wondering. It's no biggy, just wondering what the policy was.

[onefastermonte85]

Hey little z28 if your father joins he can vouche for you and you could be a member also. Only thing is, Is greenville far from youngstown? I have a link to the bi laws on erieknights.com club information at the bottom that specify everything in there. Not sure about the sticker on the race car thing, thats up to lucky ......

[10secvega]

The White stickers are for Daily drivers,Not imports.I owned a Mazda but did not put a sticker in it.In fact there is a sticker on Slimer Truck but not my Cavalier.

[10secvega]

The White stickers are for Daily drivers,Not imports.I owned a Mazda but did not put a sticker in it.In fact there is a sticker on Slimer Truck but not my Cavalier.

[10secvega]

The White stickers are for Daily drivers,Not imports.I owned a Mazda but did not put a sticker in it.In fact there is a sticker on Slimer Truck but not my Cavalier.

[NUCLEAR BANANA]

Who the hell is Ben and WHY does his GIRLFRIEND have a sticker on HER car. Imidiate family means spouse or kids. My wife has one on her car. I have a honda prelude( beater car ) and it DOES NOT have a sticker on it. This crap is getting old.:furious: :furious: :furious:

[70MC]

this is bens girlfriend.....i will be racing with you guys and i want to be a member but i wanted to leave a open spot for someone else if they wanted to join cuz i heard memberships were getting filled.....but i want a sticker on my race car if i ever get one.:fordpower
Valerie
Nuclear Banana, i think Valerie, Bens girl friend, is just asking if she can put a sticker on her race car, if she ever gets one, even if she is not a member. She is posting under Bens name, (chevy2kid), to ask. I don't think she is saying she is the one with the sticker. I believe she is just asking since stickers are being talked about.

[Yogi]

What if you drive the Minivan backwards all the time? Rear wheel drive? Just askin.:prop:

[onefastermonte85]

anything rice is trash, i wouldnt bare such a nice azz sticker on something trashy :)

[stuckerado]

i posted this like a month ago. DOES ANYONE KNOW WHO THIS IS. i've seen it on meridian all the time. have plate # as well.

[Davey]

I think you guys should be asking if she is hot or not! Where are your priorities?:drool:

[trueblue]

Why then, stop giving out stickers willy nilly! DUH :chair:

[Z28]

Hey little z28 if your father joins he can vouche for you and you could be a member also. Only thing is, Is greenville far from youngstown? I have a link to the bi laws on erieknights.com club information at the bottom that specify everything in there. Not sure about the sticker on the race car thing, thats up to lucky ......

I am a member, just don't have a sticker right now cause I broke my back window(long story). Will buy another soon as car is painted won't I Lucky????

These imports shouldn't have a sticker in my oppinion, even if a member owns it, rules start becoming blurred if left unwatched. This is an American made HorsePower Club I believe, thats why I joined up. Not a NOPI club.

[Master-Shake]

Im with Davey on this one. Whats she look like?:drool: lol

I have an American made muscle car with no sticker, I know how to follow rules. Even if I had a G/F with a muscle car I wouldnt let her display the sticker if she wasnt an actual member.

[FSTFBDY]

I never got my 1 free sticker. :(

[still waiting ]on the sheet of everything to buy] I want a few stickers,shirts,jackets,etc.......[/stillwaiting]

[onefastermonte85]

oh don u should make ur son go to meetings, He can come to ours but thats a hella drive. My biggest dilemia is trying to find a good place to hold them, Erie sucks with places, unless your a club member to alchy clubs.

[Little Z28]

Gregg, that'd work, but I'm in Johnstown at school on monday nights when the meetings are and home is a 3 hour drive in itself...the meetings are 4 hours from here...sorry.

[i'm drivin']

im just not sure how i feel about this...the american made rear wheel drive is the requirement to be able to join the club...when did it become the rule for whatever u drive in order just to have a daily driver sticker in it?? the term "daily driver" how r u guys defining that...isnt that considered the car that you drive on a daily basis??? been here going on three years and this is the first i have heard about the limitation of the pure white stickers...i mean how many of us have an american made rearwheel drive daily driver anymore?? i am not saying that this shouldnt be verified to make sure this person is awife of a current member, but to me whatever car our white stickers are in it just says to me that "yeah this is what i gotta drive day to day, but u have seen it before and u know i got something in the garage that can tear your face off" now how can that be a bad thing??? in a club that keeps getting bigger and bigger those white stickers are becoming more and more necessary to show each other who wer amongst the masses, just like tonight nuke dont even know who ben is, not picking on ya nuke, but if you pull into walmart and are cruising the spots and catch the white sticker and an open spot next to it one you are parking next to another car person that gives you a chance of 50 percent less possible dings in your car (lol here) but hell u might come out of the store andcatch that person who may be a new member and get a chance to introduce yourself. long story short here guys our reputation is not hung on the white stickers to me. those are identifiers for us and to hell with everyone else, if that sticker is legit for a members wife, himself, or their kid i say it stays, crusify me if u want but i just dont see what the problem is

[trueblue]

I think the problem seems to lie in the area of WHO IS sporting a sticker more than what it is affixed to. Daily drivers are just that. Escort, Honda, Yugo whatever, in these times of high gasoline prices, driving a 4000# big block Impala to Sparkle is just not feasible. If you limit the use of stickers to rear wheel drive American made muscle, you won't see too many Knights stickers until all of the carbonated senior citizens return from the south and everyone deems it time to fire up the hot rod. Portrayal of your club should be paramount to any discussion involving public displays of affection with regard to the club. I just think common sense would rule here. While you could look at the desire of individuals to have a Knights sticker as flattering, you wouldn't want it to become an Oakley thing either. Time for the powers that be to reiterate your club policy and fine tune your rules. Little problems for small minds, more importantly, were we gonna race if all the tracks disappear? Quaker is the most obvious problem but it's not the only one. Financial pressures are weighing heavily on all of our venues of speed and it should concern everyone. Time to wake up and join forces with other organizations and give as much as you take. Support those that support your sport. :fordpower

[MILNER]

Ok I can now see the all white sticker in a different light if you will. but I also agree that having a sticker in a import goes the oppisite direction of what the club has built its reputation on. this deffinatly needs to be discused at a meeting, It will be a tuff one to figure because both sides have a strong argument for there reasons on what the sticker can be displayed on. This is turning out to be a great topic with lots of great Ideas and thanks for everyone keeping a level head.

[NDA Racer]

Well who all knows about this white sticker bit except for members? I didn't know shit about it. So when the general public see's a Knight sticker on a Honduh they think "it's a club of ricer fags" who the hell cares what you have at home that will/may tear someones face off. That Honduh is representing you. It's all about Representing IMO


Maybe ya need a dif kinda sticker for daily drivers to ID with that doesn't say "Hollywood Knights" on it. Maybe HKYC or some chit. Maybe I'm just talking out my arse and thinking of the wrong "White sticker" too.

[MILNER]

No you are thinking of the correct sticker. If you look at your sticker the white sticker has a white outline around KNIGHTS and the red sticker has a red outline around KNIGHTS. The actual logo has a red outline so we figured it would be work ride white and the rod would be red.

[chevy2kid]

This is Valerie Ben's girlfriend......we are not offically in the club but when we are...i would like a sticker! :)......I wanted to join the club but, i heard the membership compacaty was getting full so i wanted to leave a spot open for another membership. And if i ever find a car for me I will be active in the races and car cluises. That and i wanna sport the HWK sticker:fordpower

[NDA Racer]

No you are thinking of the correct sticker. If you look at your sticker.

Sorry, I don't have a sticker. I'm a non-member with a non-member opinion, so feel free to ignore my stupid arse. lol

[Lucky]

"I got something in the garage that can tear your face off...." LMAO I like that. hehehe

Now onto the topic at hand here fellas. We've FIRMLY established a couple things regarding sticker display. First of all if it has the red outline, it better be on the Hot Rod. We also established that it's a good thing for club members to be able to identify my wife broken down on the side of the street cuz they saw the "white" sticker. I personally like the fact that I have a bunch of brothers out there looking out for the people I care about and each other!!! For that reason, we also established that stickers are for immediate family members ONLY.

On the other hand, I DO NOT have a sticker on my Escort. Never even thought about putting one on there, just don't feel it "fits". Others don't feel that way, and are proud to be a member of the club, so the white stickers appear on pretty much anything we drive, alas imports included.

I think maybe NDA is onto something here. The simple red outline isn't really enough of a "distinction" to let the others on the road know that this IS the car that can rip your face off. hehehehe Told ya I liked that.

Like NDA said, maybe we just need to come up with a DIFFERENT design for our daily drivers, and keep the logo for the hot rods.

Like Milner said, good discussion here. Thanks for the calm cool thoughtout replies!!!!

[NDA Racer]

On the other hand, I DO NOT have a sticker on my Escort. Never even thought about putting one on there, just don't feel it "fits".


Yep, if I were a member I wouldn't put one on my wifes Stealth (rice) or Sunbird. Even tho the Sunbird is "American" and a good looking car for what it is. It screams "I'm a Brokeback Mountaineer" and wouldn't be right to have "the" sticker on it.

A tow rig would be acceptable.

[i'm drivin']

what about a simple logo with no words...like maybe an xcalibur looking sword for the lower corner of the back windows...hehe or even a timing chain set ya know gearhead.... what my thinking here is is that if there is no words and only the members know what the depiction means then they can go on anything that is driven with no worries about club reputation. this could be fun coming up with a fun little in the know sticker, how bout a knights armor helmet and for the r/t members have a feather in the top of it, or dont even distinguish who is who. what about a custom looking wheel, like a foose or something??? i know u guys are seeing where i am going, love to hear what everyone can come up withheres what i got:

camshaft
connecting rod
piston
round shifter knob with member number in it(might be hard to make those)
header
steering wheel
how bout a tach with the needle at 8,500 rpm!!! that would look neat i think any way
ladder bar traction bar
ahh and this one just came to me... its a toss up between the tach and this one for being my favorite...how bout a christmas tree with the greens glowing
or hell just pick a monster machine that we like and make it into a picture
anybody anybody???

[FSTFBDY]

I like the Member # Idea also.

FORD PEOPLE = Blue oval with # in it.
Chevy People = Bowtie With # in it.
ETC....

What about something like this.....

( will insert image later when done. ) but think kinda like H&K logo
http://www.hecklerkoch-usa.com/images/splashpage_01.jpg

a custom

HK
Youngstown

with Youngstown under it. (HK will be centerd over Youngstown)

Circle around it all.

[onefastermonte85]

ricers suck i can't stand em, can't wait to race them, gonna have the monte ready this summer to knock out some of those so called fast youngstown rice.

[trueblue]

Fast rice? You mean like minute rice?:blowup:

[Yogi]

Thats pretty damn funny.

[Lucky]

Hey Val, I don't wanna burst your bubble, but the club by-laws state you have to be 21 to be an official member. On the bright side, you have ANOTHER thing to look forward to on your birthday.

Now on the other hand, if your significant other is a member, then you automatically become a social member. Same thing applies to Little Z. Since his Dad is a member, he is automatically a social member and both of you are welcome at all of our functions.


HEY! If the "fast rice" is sprayin, does that make it "boil in bag" minute rice? LMAO

[FSTFBDY]

Same thing applies to Little Z. Since his Dad is a member, he is automatically a social member and both of you are welcome at all of our functions.LMAO


Do Social members get to put a KNIGHTS sticker on their race car?

[Lucky]

Do Social members get to put a KNIGHTS sticker on their race car?

I personally don't have any problems with that at all.

[MonteMike79]

I'm a little late replying to this, but I don't agree with some things said, I am with Chuck (i'm drivin). If I had a import daily driver I am not allowed to put my white sticker on ? I only have one daily driver, I could see if you get some guy that has 10 daily drivers and has to have a sticker on every pos they drive, but face it nobody drives american rwd v8 cars in the snow anymore, and with gas prices the ones that still do will probably be getting a smaller fwd 4 banger car in the future. Now you can call me a ricer if you want it doesn't matter, but imports make some good daily drivers because of how reliable they are, my parents have had two of them now. My car is a 95 Cutlass do I have to take my sticker off now, because it is not american rwd. Not sure here, never knew there were rules about what you could have as a daily driver, or what kind of daily driver your white sticker can go on, never read about it in the by laws. Maybe there should be an addition to them to clarify what exactly is allowed with the sticker thing if there are going to be problems with it.

[EVIL_WS6]

I just want to put my .02 cents in, though I'm not a member.

GTO's (not to be confused with Grand Prix GTP's) are RWD.

'95 Cutlass's, though FWD, are not rice.

Why are members who boldly act like hard asses with thier hot rods and muscle cars in this club, who (rightfully so) boo riced out imports on friday night, get into a hatchback toyota on monday morning to go to work? It makes no sense and in my eyes, makes you a hypocrite. No you don't, or shouldn't have to, drive a rwd V8 car all of the time, but when American car companies and the American economy are struggling to get by, there are much better alternatives than buying an eco-friendly jap car. And FYI, yes there are Jap car plants in the U.S, but the money made goes to Japans economy, not ours. Jap cars are no more reliable than American cars. Maybe 20-30 years ago that was a different story, but not now. I paid $5000 for my '98 supercharged FWD V6 GTP thats in the mid-low 14's with nothing more than a K&N cone and high flow cat. It has 128,000 miles on it now, and hasn't given me any problems (knock on wood). It smokes your average ricer crap box, it drives through the snow with no problems and gets about 25mpg on the highway, I couldn't be more happier with it for a dd. In all honesty, I don't see the problem with letting American high performance FWD 4 cyl/ 6 cyl cars in the Knights. With these SRT4's and Cobalt SS's running low 14's off the showroom floor, and GTP's just a few bolt ons away from mid 13 second times, why not? Not to mention they prove to the import crowd that "domestics" don't need a V8 to be fast, like ricers always USED to say. As long as they're not riced out, I don't what the big deal is.

With that said, I had no idea what the difference was between the sticker from the red outline to the white. i'm sure neither does the other 95% percent of the Mahoning valley population. i thought a Knights sticker was a Knights sticker. So yeah something needs to be done about that. i do do have to agree that the Knights sticker should not be displayed on an import brand car.

[Lucky]

WS6 and Mikey, you guys are both right. There is NOTHING about this in the bylaws, that's exactly what we're discussin in this thread.

I hunted down an american FWD 4 banger for my DD, with Milner's help I found EXACTLY what I was looking for, and can't be happier with it. Does it have a Knights sticker on it? NOPE.

WS6, you made a valid point, actually a couple of them. We're not trying to tell people WHAT they can or cannot drive as a DD. We're simply figuring out what to do about the sticker situation. You said (as a non-member) you didn't even realize the difference between the stickers. THANKS. That tells me exactly what we need to do.

As far as the FWD V6 stuff goes, I agree with you. There is some very reliable performance FWD American steel out there. Rob's dad's MOPAR for example. There isn't a FWD car out there that deseves to be a member more than him. But there is NO way, no how, ever going to be a way to let them in the club. That's simply not what we're about.

GREAT discussion here guys, thanks for the input!!

[Yogi]

It's just the rules of the club (no front wheel drives as a club car). We didn't make the rules, but I do agree with them. If we changed them, it would take away the meaning of the club. It is what it is. There are plenty of other clubs out there, and if people don't like the rules, then start a club of your own. Make rule #1: only front wheel drive cars allowed. There are plenty of people who would join. I drive a front wheel drive car to work every day. So, I can't say much. I just can't afford an older real wheel drive car. So, shoot me.

[NDA Racer]

I paid $5000 for my '98 supercharged FWD V6 GTP thats in the mid-low 14's with nothing more than a K&N cone and high flow cat.

Where'd ya run it at? What were your 60's and MPH?

[NDA Racer]

You said (as a non-member) you didn't even realize the difference between the stickers. THANKS. That tells me exactly what we need to do.


I thought that's what I was saying, but I guess I wasn't clear enough.

I'm a little late replying to this, but I don't agree with some things said, I am with Chuck (i'm drivin). If I had a import daily driver I am not allowed to put my white sticker on ? I only have one daily driver, I could see if you get some guy that has 10 daily drivers and has to have a sticker on every pos they drive, but face it nobody drives american rwd v8 cars in the snow anymore, and with gas prices the ones that still do will probably be getting a smaller fwd 4 banger car in the future. Now you can call me a ricer if you want it doesn't matter, but imports make some good daily drivers because of how reliable they are, my parents have had two of them now. My car is a 95 Cutlass do I have to take my sticker off now, because it is not american rwd.

If your only daily driver was some rusty 4dr Cavalier would you want the club represented by it?

[Lucky]

I thought that's what I was saying, but I guess I wasn't clear enough.

Exactly. I have 2 non-members telling me the same thing, soooooooo. Pretty clear what we should do. :happy:

[EVIL_WS6]

It's just the rules of the club (no front wheel drives as a club car). We didn't make the rules, but I do agree with them. If we changed them, it would take away the meaning of the club. It is what it is. There are plenty of other clubs out there, and if people don't like the rules, then start a club of your own. Make rule #1: only front wheel drive cars allowed. There are plenty of people who would join. I drive a front wheel drive car to work every day. So, I can't say much. I just can't afford an older real wheel drive car. So, shoot me.

OK if you guys didn't make the rules, then who did? I never said I was a FWD freak, look at my sig. But there are other performance combinations out there other than RWD V8. So an 11 second AWD V6 turbo Syclone can't join the club because of his powertrain/drivetrain? Or a modified low 12 second '06 V8 LS4 Grand Prix GXP can't join because it's FWD? What about the club member, or someone that wants to be a member who can't afford to build a V8 RWD race car and have a nice dd due to the fact of wife/kids/bills/income wouldn't allow it? To some people it doesn't make sense to dump $50k into a fox Mustang for a race car and drive a busted ass yugo all year round for a dd. That's why car company's, especially GM, are building these supercharged v6 and v8 powered Impalas, Grand Prix's and Montes now. Not to mention the 395hp LS2 Trailblazer SS. They offer everyday car utility with the abilty to be modified for racing, so your dd can double as your race car. Makes sense to me. Well if it's straight up RWD V8 for this club, then that means Kevin is gonna have to resign his membership along with the guy with the 8 second GN this year because thier cars are V6 powered. So I guess it's anything RWD V8 or LC2 powered?

I don't understand the point of that rule, really? What's it prove, that RWD V8 cars can be built to go fast? So what, that realization was discovered like, 70-80 years ago. "Check it out, look what I figured out guys, I built my 5.0 fox mustang to run 10's!!" Wow. Welcome to 1985. Don't get me wrong I love RWD V8 muscle cars like no other, not to mention 1969-1970 were probably my favorite model years of American automobiles of all time. But there are other cars out there that can, and are, being built up to go fast. The three fastest GTP Grand Prix's in the country were in the high 9's LAST YEAR, expect low 9's this year. Modified SRT4's are in the low 11's now, Cobalt SS's were new for '05 are aready breaking into the 11's themselves, of course these cars are few and far in between, but it's being done as we speak. Demon Rob's dad ran a best of 10.04 in a 20 year old 2.2L FWD Mopar. I think you should give credit where credit is due. So I don't understand the "We're all about RWD V8's." when you have 2 V6's in the club. Times are changing and so are the cars. There's nothing special, unique, or new about having a drag racing/street racing car club with all RWD V8 powered cars. It's been done already. I think you guys need to make a few adjustments to your rules...

Again, just my .02 cents...

[onefastermonte85]

keep the tradition on non imported cars out. Lately it has been shown that people who drive those cars generally do not care about otheres or themselves why because they drive like azzholes they have an attitude and they talk like reggies. I myself could care less about seeing an import around, really nothing impresses me about them. awd if its american made performance or custom then thats what it is. IMports are a NO. Its our way of keeping what we want around us around us. The guys who joined really could care less looking at a eclipse or what not sitting next to our hot rods. I got out of a club before that was surrounded by all makes and models. You wanna know what happend, there were groups Muscle/ rice/ regular cars, what happend is everyone fought and disbanned. Its just a simple equation rice does not fit in anything relating to muscle cars. The rules are simple follow them and no one gets hurt. No reason to test it or discuss it, their set in stone no one will bring it out.

[FSTFBDY]

OK if you guys didn't make the rules, then who did? I never said I was a FWD freak, look at my sig. But there are other performance combinations out there other than RWD V8. So an 11 second AWD V6 turbo Syclone can't join the club because of his powertrain/drivetrain? Or a modified low 12 second '06 V8 LS4 Grand Prix GXP can't join because it's FWD? Well if it's straight up RWD V8 then that means Kevin is gonna have to resign his membership along with the guy with the 8 second GN this year because thier cars are V6 powered.

I don't understand the point of that rule, really? What's it prove, that RWD V8 cars can be built to go fast? So what, that realization was discovered like, 70-80 years ago. "Check it out, look what I figured out guys, I built my 5.0 fox mustang to run 10's!!" Wow. Welcome to 1985. Don't get me wrong I love RWD V8 muscle cars like no other, not to mention 1969-1970 were probably my favorite model years of American automobiles of all time. But there are other cars out there that can, and are, being built up to go fast. The three fastest GTP Grand Prix's in the country were in the high 9's LAST YEAR, expect low 9's this year. Modified SRT4's are in the low 11's now, Cobalt SS's were new for '05 are aready breaking into the 11's themselves, of course these cars are few and far in between, but it's being done as we speak. Demon Rob's dad ran a best of 10.04 in a 20 year old 2.2L FWD Mopar. So I don't understand the "We're all about RWD V8's." when you have 2 V6's in the club. So I guess it anything RWD V8 or LC2 powered? I think you guys need to make a few ajustments to your rules...

Again, just my .02 cents...


I Couldn't have said it better myself.

I understand the TRADITION of trying to keep it RWD V8 American Muscle but as said above what about the LC2's in 2 members cars? AWD V6 Sy/ty's
Better yet what about someone with a '89 TTA. its muscle rwd but a lc2 also.

[70MC]

OK if you guys didn't make the rules, then who did? I never said I was a FWD freak, look at my sig. But there are other performance combinations out there other than RWD V8. So an 11 second AWD V6 turbo Syclone can't join the club because of his powertrain/drivetrain? Or a modified low 12 second '06 V8 LS4 Grand Prix GXP can't join because it's FWD? What about the club member, or someone that wants to be a member who can't afford to build a V8 RWD race car and have a nice dd due to the fact of wife/kids/bills/income wouldn't allow it? To some people it doesn't make sense to dump $50k into a fox Mustang for a race car and drive a busted ass yugo all year round for a dd. That's why car company's, especially GM, are building these supercharged v6 and v8 powered Impalas, Grand Prix's and Montes now. Not to mention the 395hp LS2 Trailblazer SS. They offer everyday car utility with the abilty to be modified for racing, so your dd can double as your race car. Makes sense to me. Well if it's straight up RWD V8 for this club, then that means Kevin is gonna have to resign his membership along with the guy with the 8 second GN this year because thier cars are V6 powered. So I guess it's anything RWD V8 or LC2 powered?

I don't understand the point of that rule, really? What's it prove, that RWD V8 cars can be built to go fast? So what, that realization was discovered like, 70-80 years ago. "Check it out, look what I figured out guys, I built my 5.0 fox mustang to run 10's!!" Wow. Welcome to 1985. Don't get me wrong I love RWD V8 muscle cars like no other, not to mention 1969-1970 were probably my favorite model years of American automobiles of all time. But there are other cars out there that can, and are, being built up to go fast. The three fastest GTP Grand Prix's in the country were in the high 9's LAST YEAR, expect low 9's this year. Modified SRT4's are in the low 11's now, Cobalt SS's were new for '05 are aready breaking into the 11's themselves, of course these cars are few and far in between, but it's being done as we speak. Demon Rob's dad ran a best of 10.04 in a 20 year old 2.2L FWD Mopar. I think you should give credit where credit is due. So I don't understand the "We're all about RWD V8's." when you have 2 V6's in the club. Times are changing and so are the cars. There's nothing special, unique, or new about having a drag racing/street racing car club with all RWD V8 powered cars. It's been done already. I think you guys need to make a few adjustments to your rules...

Again, just my .02 cents...
The by-laws state, American made RWD. No one said you have to have an 8cyl.
We (Bill) did not make this car club, just this chapter (Youngstown) so the by-laws were set. So if someone wants in this club, that is the rules, thats just the way it is. This club is based on American muscle, and the by-laws stem from its roots, RWD. There are some fast American FWD cars, but i am going to guess that the first chapter was formed well before fast American FWDs. There are other clubs for other makes, models and desires. The by-laws are set and can't be changed. It don't mean we don't respect other cars.

[NDA Racer]

I'm gonna guess the Pitt chapter made the rules?

Who were the "founding fathers?" How long has Dan Chishom been a Knight?

Also still wondering about that GTP...


I myself could care less about seeing an import around, Gotta agree there. I could careless if a import or fwd runs 6s in the 1/4 and gets 400mpg. That's ok/cool and all, but I'd rather get 5 mpg and run 17s with a RWD V8


Muscle/ rice/ regular cars, what happend is everyone fought and disbanned.

Yep, good to hear some 1st hand experience.

[mean83sc]

I don't understand the point of that rule, really? What's it prove, that RWD V8 cars can be built to go fast? So what, that realization was discovered like, 70-80 years ago. "Check it out, look what I figured out guys, I built my 5.0 fox mustang to run 10's!!" Wow. Welcome to 1985. Don't get me wrong I love RWD V8 muscle cars like no other, not to mention 1969-1970 were probably my favorite model years of American automobiles of all time. But there are other cars out there that can, and are, being built up to go fast. The three fastest GTP Grand Prix's in the country were in the high 9's LAST YEAR, expect low 9's this year. Modified SRT4's are in the low 11's now, Cobalt SS's were new for '05 are aready breaking into the 11's themselves, of course these cars are few and far in between, but it's being done as we speak. Demon Rob's dad ran a best of 10.04 in a 20 year old 2.2L FWD Mopar. I think you should give credit where credit is due. So I don't understand the "We're all about RWD V8's." when you have 2 V6's in the club. Times are changing and so are the cars. There's nothing special, unique, or new about having a drag racing/street racing car club with all RWD V8 powered cars. It's been done already. I think you guys need to make a few adjustments to your rules...

Again, just my .02 cents...

Thats why theres import clubs. Like Jim said, just because the club doesn't let them in, doesn't mean they don't respect them.

It's bad that I'm not in the club due to a bi-law yet I feel all the bi-laws should be upheld for a reason...thats wack :sick:

[NDA Racer]

Thats why theres import clubs. Like Jim said, just because the club doesn't let them in, doesn't mean they don't respect them.

It's bad that I'm not in the club due to a bi-law yet I feel all the bi-laws should be upheld for a reason...thats wack :sick:

What by-law is that?

[EVIL_WS6]

keep the tradition on non imported cars out. Lately it has been shown that people who drive those cars generally do not care about otheres or themselves why because they drive like azzholes they have an attitude and they talk like reggies. I myself could care less about seeing an import around, really nothing impresses me about them. awd if its american made performance or custom then thats what it is. IMports are a NO. The guys who joined really could care less looking at a eclipse or what not sitting next to our hot rods.

Couldn't agree more. Like I said in a previous post, I hate Jap cars and ricers, keep 'em out, they're junk,:novote: etc. I said I don't see why you guys couldn't let AMERICAN fwd and awd 4/6/8 cylinder high performance cars and trucks in the club. I'm not talikn' an '01 Cavalier with neons, a fart can and a huge wing. I'm talking like factory supercharged GTP Grand Prix/Regal GS/Impala/Monte/Cobalt SS's, and turbocharged SRT4's. What about the Ford Tbird Supercoupes and 89-90 Cougar XR7's (as much as I hate fords). They're rwd and feature blown and intercooled 6 bangers from the factory. They're basically Fords version of a GN, just not as talented :) . Again, what do I know, I'm not a Knight. It would be nice to have more of a variety of cars like that, as long as they're American, not riced out, and the owners aren't douche bags, meaning no wigger ricers allowed. Everyone has to get voted in anyway so why not give more people a chance at joinng the most bad ass car club in N.E Ohio?

[mean83sc]

The Craig hates Kurt bi-law. :)

being under 21

[Z28]

I can't sit here an read this any longer without some input!

You shouldn't fly the American Flag improperly, like on your azz. An you shouldn't fly the Club Logo improperly, like on a FWD Import period!!!!!!!!!!!! It shouldn't be negotiated or softened with discussion. If this turns into an import club I'll move on, I'm not for it at all. Its understandable that some use em as work vehicles but they shouldn't represent this club, its not what its about. I won't come cruising into a car cruise or drag strip in my Nova, Camaro, or Vette with a "buzz box" ahead of me flying the same logo, ain't right.

Maybe the stickers should only be applied to the car at the meetings an not be handed out for the member to apply on his own vehicle at home. That way no one could stick em on a car without any membership there to disapprove. They are the Clubs Logo, not the individuals. 2cents worth an NO CHANGE.

[EVIL_WS6]

I'm gonna guess the Pitt chapter made the rules?

Who were the "founding fathers?"

That's what I wanna know.

Also still wondering about that GTP...

Never ran it, got it after the season was already over. Raced people on the street with it only so far. I paced a 400hp Trailblazer SS (they run 14.0 stock) I paced Gary's SRT4, again, another very low 14 second car, I beat a modified '98 Cobra Mustang, countless 94-98 GT Stangs, and I ran door handle to door handle with Ducks T/A to 70mph after which he pulls away. (He runs 13.5). Not to mention I used to have a '00 GT Mustang at one time and I know this thing is faster, and that Mustang ran a best of 14.54. So what would you guess it runs? I would be more than happy to run it the way it is when the track reopens, but I'm already getting the mod bug, so that's not gonna happen.


Gotta agree there. I could careless if a import or fwd runs 6s in the 1/4 and gets 400mpg. That's ok/cool and all, but I'd rather get 5 mpg and run 17s with a RWD V8

You would rather have a 17 second rwd V8 that only gets 5mpg than a fwd supercharged V6 Grand Prix that runs SOMEWHERE in the 14's basically stock and get 25mpg and does way better in the snow? Um..OK.

[NDA Racer]

For a "Hotrod" yes.


I don't car to guess ETs. Hell Stuck told me his S-10 ran 13s spinning and I can count 1001 1002 before he catches up to me after I hit my brakes in the Meander Vid. So I guess I'm in the 11s. Yanno what. I'll take it.

[EVIL_WS6]

I could careless if a import or fwd runs 6s in the 1/4 and gets 400mpg. That's ok/cool and all, but I'd rather get 5 mpg and run 17s with a RWD V8

Actually, not long ago, I had an '85 Grand Prix LE with a 305 that ran just like you described above, and I would MUCH rather have my GTP. Speaking from experiance..

[MILNER]

Its plain and simple Our club, Our rules! Now if we bend the rules for a FWD then we get the guys who will say 'Well his is a fwd. Its not fair because a honda is a honda bling or no bling.' You see most people can't see the forest for the trees. Its all about PRIDE in being American rwd. Thats what we are about. If you dont like it, G T H O. If you can't associate Club pride with no sticker on your import then sorry, you need to be in a different club. And just for the record Mr Patchners car is the most deserving of all but he just doesn't fit the rules. You can debate this till the cows come home but WE WILL NOT CHANGE THE FWD RULE. AND YES WE NEED TO HAVE A STICKER FOR MEMBERS CARS. IT ALSO IS A MATTER OF PRIDE AND FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR OWN MEMBERS. This makes me :sick: and :furious:

[EVIL_WS6]

I'm beginning to wonder if any of you actually read any of my posts. I'm not about imports at all. I work at GM. I hate Jap shit. i hate it when I see a Honda or 'Yota or any import with an "American pride" magnent or decal on thier car. Same goes for a Knights sticker. That was my original point. These stickers shouldn't be on import cars. However, I was just suggesting why not let AMERICAN performance cars with other types of drivetrains into the club is all. No need to get offended just a question/suggestion. I mean, why not? you guys now have 2 V6 cars in your club, I don't see why you couldn't have a fwd V8 or an awd 6.

[Duck]

I'm beginning to wonder if any of you actually read any of my posts. I mean, why not? you guys now have 2 V6 cars in your club, I don't see why you couldn't have a fwd V8 or an awd 6.


EVIL_WS6 Have you read any of our posts The BY-LAWS state, American made RWD and we can"t change the BY-LAWS

[EVIL_WS6]

EVIL_WS6 Have you read any of our posts The BY-LAWS state, American made RWD and we can"t change the BY-LAWS

Yes I read the posts. I don't know why they can't be changed, or adjusted for the times. It's like the amendments or constitution. When were the "by-laws" written, in the 80's? Technically, the Youngstown chapter is the largest chapter isn't it? So who do you guys have to answer to? Besides, as time goes on and different types of American cars come out, new blood will emerge and those guys will be into whatever is out then. What are you gonna tell them? "Sorry guys, the only new car you can buy is a Mustang or Camaro if you want to be in our club, unless you buy something that's 20 years old or older?" I technically could join the club with my other 2 cars anyway, but I'm just stating that for someone who has only a fwd or awd American car, who doesn't want to join a ricer club, (for obvious reasons) or doesn't feel like pissing with starting a club of his own and having only a handful of people join, because the Knights wouldn't adjust a certain rule.

[mean83sc]

Yes I read the posts. I don't know why they can't be changed, or adjusted for the times.

They won't change because you don't change the whole ground of a car club for a handful of people who want to be in it when their vehicle doesn't meet the criteria.

If you have a fwd american made car...you end up having to go with a fwd american car club....if you have rwd american car then this is the club for that.

Thats like us going to some rice club that takes only rice and saying "Hey uh change your rules, we got muscle cars and want in, so change your whole club to fit in 5 of us"...

[Yogi]

Thats basically it, either by a Mustang or a Camro, or by some older iron. If not, we san't and won't change the rules. It's the way we like it. I don't consider these newer cars to be "Performance cars". They have some horsepower and run Fair, but until they can run what the late 60's cars ran I don't want to here it. Take a big block 69 big block Camaro, chevelle, or nova and put a pair of slicks on them and they ran in the high 11's off the floor. I know someone will say that you had to use slicks. True but the technology of tires back then was bias plys. I am just old school and can really never like any of the newer stuff.

[MILNER]

Yes I read the posts. I don't know why they can't be changed, or adjusted for the times. It's like the amendments or constitution. When were the "by-laws" written, in the 80's? Technically, the Youngstown chapter is the largest chapter isn't it? So who do you guys have to answer to? Besides, as time goes on and different types of American cars come out, new blood will emerge and those guys will be into whatever is out then. What are you gonna tell them? "Sorry guys, the only new car you can buy is a Mustang or Camaro if you want to be in our club, unless you buy something that's 20 years old or older?" I technically could join the club with my other 2 cars anyway, but I'm just stating that for someone who has only a fwd or awd American car, who doesn't want to join a ricer club, (for obvious reasons) or doesn't feel like pissing with starting a club of his own and having only a handful of people join, because the Knights wouldn't adjust a certain rule.

it cant be changed because thats what "WE" all 70 some members want. With maybe the exception of a couple people. and if you really want to get technical if its all wheel drive and made by one of the big three. It is built on a rwd platform if i am correct so it would be ok to be in the club in my oppinion

[10secvega]

Do i know how to get this place fired up?

[EVIL_WS6]

They won't change because you don't change the whole ground of a car club for a handful of people who want to be in it when their vehicle doesn't meet the criteria.

If you have a fwd american made car...you end up having to go with a fwd american car club....if you have rwd american car then this is the club for that.

Thats like us going to some rice club that takes only rice and saying "Hey uh change your rules, we got muscle cars and want in, so change your whole club to fit in 5 of us"...

Ok, that makes sense. So how do you like being in the Knights? Oh wait, your not in the Knight because you can't be. You're not 21 yet. Guess you have to join an import car club. It sucks they can't change the rules because they don't want to let a few people in huh?

[70MC]

Couldn't agree more. Like I said in a previous post, I hate Jap cars and ricers, keep 'em out, they're junk,:novote: etc. I said I don't see why you guys couldn't let AMERICAN fwd and awd 4/6/8 cylinder high performance cars and trucks in the club. I'm not talikn' an '01 Cavalier with neons, a fart can and a huge wing. I'm talking like factory supercharged GTP Grand Prix/Regal GS/Impala/Monte/Cobalt SS's, and turbocharged SRT4's. What about the Ford Tbird Supercoupes and 89-90 Cougar XR7's (as much as I hate fords). They're rwd and feature blown and intercooled 6 bangers from the factory. They're basically Fords version of a GN, just not as talented :) . Again, what do I know, I'm not a Knight. It would be nice to have more of a variety of cars like that, as long as they're American, not riced out, and the owners aren't douche bags, meaning no wigger ricers allowed. Everyone has to get voted in anyway so why not give more people a chance at joinng the most bad ass car club in N.E Ohio?
You are debating with yourself here, talking about the Ford T-Bird and 89-90 Cougar XR7. REMEMBER, American made RWD, ANY size motor! That would include AWD, and 4WD, i do think, since they have RWD. I think you are confusing something in the way as to thinking the car has to run 12s or faster, not so. But if the car is too much of a turd, you stand the chance of not getting voted in, but remember we let Artie in. LOL
You do bring up a good point about changing with the times, but that time is just not here yet. When in the future, there are so few RWDs, the HWNs may have to change its by-laws, or if it can not do that, then it may chose to fail to exsist. At this time the club has no desire, want or need to do so.

[EVIL_WS6]

...and if you really want to get technical if its all wheel drive and made by one of the big three. It is built on a rwd platform if i am correct so it would be ok to be in the club in my oppinion

Big three being American, exactly. This is what I've been saying all along. So a AWD GMC Syclone/Typhoon would be allowed to join the club because it's based off of a RWD GM platform. Ok, cool. See, now we're getting somewhere. That wasn't so bad was it? Just because I said AWD people automatically assumed I meant Mitszu's and Subaru's. I'm going to say this one more time: NO JAP SHIT IN THE KNIGHTS!!

Which will also exclude Eagle talons (Mitszu Eclipse) and Dodge Stealths (Mitszu 3000GT).

[EVIL_WS6]

You are debating with yourself here, talking about the Ford T-Bird and 89-90 Cougar XR7. REMEMBER, American made RWD, ANY size motor! That would include AWD, and 4WD, i do think, since they have RWD. I think you are confusing something in the way as to thinking the car has to run 12s or faster, not so. But if the car is too much of a turd, you stand the chance of not getting voted in, but remember we let Artie in. LOL
You do bring up a good point about changing with the times, but that time is just not here yet. When in the future, there are so few RWDs, the HWNs may have to change its by-laws, or if it can not do that, then it may chose to fail to exsist. At this time the club has no desire, want or need to do so.

I never said anything about the car having to run a certain time. All I said is that alot of these newer cars deserved to be recognized and deserve to be given a chance. Any newer AMERICAN car that runs mid-low 14's or faster outta the box deserves a chance. Be it RWD/AWD/FWD. Even it it's a 4 or 6 banger. All of the cars I previously mentioned get anywhere between 25-32mpg on the highway and are just a few bolt ons away from the 13's. Times are changing and with the recent fuel price hike and more people going to alternative fuels and smaller cars with smaller engines, it's an inevatibility to start changing a rule or two for the Knights to continue to exist and grow. All of the car companies (big 3 included) are taking this very seriously, with their new cars featuring Displacement on Demand and being able to run on ethanol. It's sucks, and it's sad, but it's true.

90% of the people replied that "IT HAS TO BE RWD/V8!!" That's why I brought up the T-bird SC's and 89-90 XR7 Cougars, and asked the question on how the GN and LC2 powered Vega can stay. This has been cleared up already in a previous post.

[70MC]

90% of the people replied that "IT HAS TO BE RWD/V8!!" That's why I brought up the T-bird SC's and 89-90 XR7 Cougars, and asked the question on how the GN and LC2 powered Vega can stay. This has been cleared up already in a previous post.


No. Only 2 people said it had to be a V8. You 1st on page 6, then someone in the very next post, them the very next post was me tring to clear that up. But you were still talking about it so wanted to remind you again. Don't read this like im mad, not ment to sound that way.
Your thoughts of the new FWD cars are very understandable and true. But we have disscused the by-laws in meetings and we can not change them. If we changed them then we have to change the name of the club, it could no longer be the HWKs. When i said that may have to change in the future, that future is very, very far away. Us and our kids will not be alive to see the need to make a change. The old muscle cars that are still with us are very old (50s-70s) and will be with us for another 30+ years since they are not everyday drivers and are very well taken care of. And look at all the Mustangs that make nice hot rods, there are many of them, and they are still being made. Let me repeat myself, your points are correct, true, and well taken, and let me also repeat, we did not make the by-laws and can not change them, and do not have the need or desire to do so today or tommorow.

[EVIL_WS6]

^ That's cool. i don't like arguing over the internet, but why does it seem like those by-laws are set in stone? Who wrote them? Are those people even around anymore? Is this club based off of the movie or what? I never saw the movie, so I don't know. Is it any good? i know Tony Danza and Michelle Phiefer are in it, that's it. I realize there are tons of 'Stangs out there, do we really need to be reminded? My point was everyone and thier bro has a stang it seems like. Hell, I hate Fords and I had one. But someone telling me "Hey I have a 10 second 5.0." vs. someone telling me "Hey, I have a 10 second Typhoon." Doesn't have the same effect on me. Though Mustangs are very popular and are cool cars, they're almost over popular and and when I see something different, it's like a breath of fresh air. I mean COOL different, not Yugo with Lambo doors different. Hence my fascination towards cars like GN's GTP's, Cobalt SS's, etc.

[EVIL_WS6]

And I know, I realize I have a red T/A. When I bought that car I new of nobody at all who even owned a 4th gen fbody. I think I only saw 1 red WS6 in person before I bought mine, and that was in Akron. I never even hung out in Boardman until after I bought my car back in January of '02. A ricer neighbor of mine told me he hung out in Boardman and there are cars everywhere and I should check it out so I did. I've been a staple out here ever since. When I came out here there were only 2 other red T/A's. A kid from Canfield and a kid from Berlin, neither were WS6's. Gary had a purple Cougar, Trapper had a S-10 Blazer. But I'm stuck with it, not that it's a bad thing, because I love that car and will never sell it, but I'm stuck with "thats the other kid with the red t/a" forever. Oh well.

[10secvega]

And I know, I realize I have a red T/A. When I bought that car I new of nobody at all who even owned a 4th gen fbody. I think I only saw 1 red WS6 in person before I bought mine, and that was in Akron. I never even hung out in Boardman until after I bought my car back in January of '02. A ricer neighbor of mine told me he hung out in Boardman and there are cars everywhere and I should check it out so I did. I've been a staple out here ever since. When I came out here there were only 2 other red T/A's. A kid from Canfield and a kid from Berlin, neither were WS6's. Gary had a purple Cougar, Trapper had a S-10 Blazer. But I'm stuck with it, not that it's a bad thing, because I love that car and will never sell it, but I'm stuck with "thats the other kid with the red t/a" forever. Oh well.
Bring out the GN,You won't have that complex anymore.

[EVIL_WS6]

Bring out the GN,You won't have that complex anymore.

I would love to, believe me, I need to start on it after I get over the few hurdles I'm dealing with right now. That's gonna be awesome, it has t-tops too. :)

[mean83sc]

Ok, that makes sense. So how do you like being in the Knights? Oh wait, your not in the Knight because you can't be. You're not 21 yet. Guess you have to join an import car club. It sucks they can't change the rules because they don't want to let a few people in huh?

Not quite sure what kind of point this was supposed to be...I actually "cared" and would of liked rules to of been bent to allow me to be in...when I was 16. I now see it's that way for reasons. Kind of as milner said, if they were to change the rule about letting any import car in (fast or slow) then you have issues with people crying that they didn't get in. Just as if they were to change the age limit, you'd have young idiots wanting in, some possibly gettng in and they could cause bad rep for the club. It sucks more people my age (or older for some) can't have the same knowledge and ability that I have, doing a complete body off resto, installing my own cage, doing my own tin work and chassis work...maybe if more did then things would be different. Just like if more fwd american or imports weren't ghetto rice rockets then maybe they would be looked at differently. Until then, they suck, and I'm a young d!ck :thumb:

[70MC]

^ That's cool. i don't like arguing over the internet, but why does it seem like those by-laws are set in stone? Who wrote them? Are those people even around anymore? Is this club based off of the movie or what? I never saw the movie, so I don't know. Is it any good? i know Tony Danza and Michelle Phiefer are in it, that's it. I realize there are tons of 'Stangs out there, do we really need to be reminded? My point was everyone and thier bro has a stang it seems like. Hell, I hate Fords and I had one. But someone telling me "Hey I have a 10 second 5.0." vs. someone telling me "Hey, I have a 10 second Typhoon." Doesn't have the same effect on me. Though Mustangs are very popular and are cool cars, they're almost over popular and and when I see something different, it's like a breath of fresh air. I mean COOL different, not Yugo with Lambo doors different. Hence my fascination towards cars like GN's GTP's, Cobalt SS's, etc.
Ya, its all good. We are not arguing. You are expressing how you feel and i respect that, and i can relate to what you are saying. Arguing would be, for example, someone saying my car never ran 11s on pump gas, and calling me a liar. 2 or more people expressing their thoughts on a subject should be considerd a debate. I (we) just had to convince you that we did not make, and can not change the by-laws. Lucky can better answer who and when they were written. I think If Lucky chose to start a Y-town HWKs chapter, he liked the by-laws just as they are, otherwise he could have started his own club under his choice of name, and his choice of rules.

[MonteMike79]

I think another reason why you can't let FWD performance cars in, then you get people say, hey I have a 2000 Monte SS I will join this car club, when they really aren't into cars, they just happen to own one that fits the criteria. Kind of hard to explain, but I was in the club with Gregg, it was called ErieSpeed, you could have any car and 99% of them were people's daily drivers. People that are'nt 'motorheads' don't go well with us that are. They don't understand that getting your car running or working on your car is more important to you than going to a cruise in. Obviously the club failed and us motorheads from that club formed into the Erie Chapter Knights.

As far as the sticker thing goes, up here we don't really have a problem because we don't have a boatload of members, all of us are pretty close friends anyways and we don't have the problem of members not knowing other members. But I think if everybody is that worried about what the daily driver sticker goes on then clarify it. The hot rod one always should go on the hot rod though. Either that or just forget the daily driver sticker all together, I don't pay attention much, but I don't see a lot of other clubs around here with stickers on their daily drivers, just the hot rods.

[Z28]

I think all the complaining is being done here by non-members, trying to get us to change the by-laws so they can possibly join. Why don't you change your car interests an just get an American RWD hotrod if ya want in, an quit trying to talk us into changing the rules to fit you. I think membership is quite happy with the club as is. I don't think the club was ever supposed to be for everyone that has a drivers license.

[mean83sc]

but z28, I love my geo metro! It's a hot rod with the 3 cylinders of pure bad ass (license plate 3cylopba) and it gets 40mpg! :mellow: :drool: :fear:

[Z28]

but z28, I love my geo metro! It's a hot rod with the 3 cylinders of pure bad ass (license plate 3cylopba) and it gets 40mpg! :mellow: :drool: :fear:

Here's some info for ya, This is a club you guys should be interested in!!!!

http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=54494

[mean83sc]

lol they have 96 geo metro on the list!

Good thing I don't own one. :sweat:

[Lucky]

Sorry fellas, rules aren't gonna change. Stickers might, but rules aren't.

Even if I wanted to (which I don't) change the rules, the members of this club would tie me up, smear jelly on my ass, and throw connecting rods at me. :chair:

[mean83sc]

smear jelly on my ass,

I don't think anyone would do that Bill...that just sounds like a twisted dream of yours....:friend: :hysterica

[EVIL_WS6]

I think all the complaining is being done here by non-members, trying to get us to change the by-laws so they can possibly join. Why don't you change your car interests an just get an American RWD hotrod if ya want in, an quit trying to talk us into changing the rules to fit you.

I do. I have a 2002 WS6 Trans Am and a '86 Buick Grand National.

[EVIL_WS6]

I think all the complaining is being done here by non-members, trying to get us to change the by-laws so they can possibly join. Why don't you change your car interests an just get an American RWD hotrod if ya want in, an quit trying to talk us into changing the rules to fit you.

Why should I change my car interests when I have an appreciaion for all American high performance cars? I have good taste. And that link you posted in the porta potty section is just plain stupid. That's for geeks who play Gran Turismo and dream about having any kind of car with any kind of nuts. And yes, there are Grand Prix car clubs. Some of them are bigger than the YHWK's, but none of them are local, and my GTP is just my dd with a few tweaks, it's not a show car/hot rod. It's not my serious car. I have 1986 Buick Grand National and a 2002 Trans Am LS1 WS6 for that.

[Z28]

I read some of those posts on the Crappy Car Club an laughed till my eyes watered so bad I couldn't see!! I need stuff like that sometimes to wisk away the bull that goes on in life.

[Lucky]

:goknights I don't think anyone would do that Bill...that just sounds like a twisted dream of yours....:friend: :hysterica

OK, you called me on it. I confess, I'd prolly like the jelly. As long as it was strawberry or raspberry.

But, knowing these guys like I do, they'd use straight anti-freeze on my butt! And those that know me well, can tell you all about that. :angel:

Bottom line: Knights rules AREN'T gonna change. If you want an "American" car club, go find one. NO DISRESPECT intended, but our rules are steadfast. If you have a car that "fits" we WELCOME you! But if you don't, I'm afraid you need to look elsewhere. Doesn't mean you can't hang out with us, at all.

Plain and simple, you're NOT flying Knights colors unless you have an American made, RWD in your fleet.

[dubasracing]

well rumor has it another club locally has started that allows all makes and models in so if you want to be an import person have at it i dont know the name of it but i have heard there is one started and they have already had a meeting. how does our by laws stand on joining multiple car clubs especiallly local ones? not that i want to leave or want ANY part of ANYTHIING import (just my opinon/feeling) but just curious due to the rumor and rumor of others jumping ship to join another club while being in this one?

[EVIL_WS6]

well rumor has it another club locally has started that allows all makes and models in so if you want to be an import person have at it

When did I ever say I wanted to be an import person? I didn't know Grand Prix's were Toyota's...

[dubasracing]

When did I ever say I wanted to be an import person? I didn't know Grand Prix's were Toyota's...


i was speaking in general as part of a overall discussion and voicing my opinion which i am allowed to do but now i am speaking to you when i say piss off!!! :furious:

[mean83sc]

i am speaking to you when i say piss off!!! :furious:


:grin: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/mean83sc/stallowned.jpg

[NDA Racer]

When did I ever say I wanted to be an import person? I didn't know Grand Prix's were Toyota's...

Toyota's are assembled in America.

[NDA Racer]

:grin: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/mean83sc/stallowned.jpg


LMAO! That's awesome!

[SVT THIS]

well,
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y32/MYLSWON/Forum%20Stuff/domesticEthug.jpg
I need a white sticker for the SRT Lucky...

[Yogi]

I wouldn't care if Toyota's were made in Youngstown. I would still vote NO.

[10secvega]

If you are a respectable member of this club,and you respect this club you would choose wisely what you put stickers on.

[Yogi]

Well said Kevin.

[Red11secGSX]

ricers suck i can't stand em, can't wait to race them, gonna have the monte ready this summer to knock out some of those so called fast youngstown rice.

I don't really care about the stickers...But I can't wait to smoke that big block just to piss you off.

[SVT THIS]

ooo... That's true, that 2.0l 4 banger ran the same time as the F1R S/C Big Block...eh? :chair:

[Z28]

[QUOTE=Red11secGSX]I don't really care about the stickers...But I can't wait to smoke that big block just to piss you off.

Anytime ya feel like the fast n furious, I got a wee little smallblock or a bigblock for ya!

[SVT THIS]

He needs NAWWWWS, "amateurs don't use nitrous oxide; I've seen the way you drive you have a heavy foot... you'll blow yourself to pieces" make it the big one, you know what... make it two... and Harry; I need it by tonight...

[SVT THIS]

come to think about it, all you need to do is paint your eclipse green and your in business... yo

[EVIL_WS6]

come to think about it, all you need to do is paint your eclipse green and your in business... yo

Paul Walker would be proud.

[onefastermonte85]

stock suspension, stock block, 9'' tire, 6lbs of boost on a stock 427 motor, i'll be down to run let me just do a ricer move by taking off a head light my hood and doors and then i'll run lol.

[Red11secGSX]

stock suspension, stock block, 9'' tire, 6lbs of boost on a stock 427 motor, i'll be down to run let me just do a ricer move by taking off a head light my hood and doors and then i'll run lol.

Actually as of right now my car is quite heavy for an import, I haven't wieghted it but I dont really have any out other than my hood is about 40lbs lighter than stock and no spare tire. I'll be there...YO since according to you all people who drive imports are reggie ricers. Alls I can say is that usually when someone hates something so much as you do that they usually in love with it but embrassed to show it. I wouldn't be suprised to see you in a few years drive a Honda Civic on bags, body kit, ect with your new black wife. Then we all know the only thing worst than a n*gger is a n*gger lover.

[onefastermonte85]

.. i'd never ever ever ever date a reggie, PERIOD. sorry care about my self to much for that. This should not turn into race wars either. IMports are childs play ya some guys make them fast, but those 7 second ones are just roll cages with twin Giant turbo's on a heavily modded motor. I mean fawk, take a stock car keep it stock, just add a blower to it and make it run fast, do what i do put a cage and a blower nothing else, i dont see u doing that. I'll see a ton of neons and fast n furious bs covering the area. So how come youngstown doesn't have a ricer board up anyhow? In erie we have ricer forums, www.erietuners.com there go there and talk to them.

[Red11secGSX]

Well I guess I bet put some Neons on my car so I can fit your board generalizations, what do you also agree with Hitler too? I ran 12.7@107mph with my car with a stock motor and a $500 turbo, so whats your point? Sorry it's not a supercharger and it's more efficent. I also drove the car everyday that year and put over 30k miles on it that year. Also you are right about the seven second cars only being a cage and motor, other than John Shepards 91 Talon that is still a unibody stock chassis (other than roll cage), stock glass, full dash, ect.

[Red11secGSX]

I'm sure that there aren't many domestic's running 7's without tube chassis also. I sure there are some but not many. But none of that has to do with this anyways. I guess I'd be mad too if I had a big block w/a F1 SC that was slower than over half of the Mitsu at Meander too.

[SVT THIS]

hehe :tooth: This is the war room that I missed all winter :furious:

[onefastermonte85]

f1 sorry buddy wrong charger. and ya my cars slow lol, everything i have is stock, i dont see to many used superchargers laying around so no luck on a 500used junk. efficient, u can then research the turbo vs s/c debate on that one. TWo diff sides. 7's tube chassis. h......?? what go to www.erieknights.com purple camaro 10.5 its all there also z28 don's car is all there, very misleading knocking muscle cars on a muscle car site, I purposely avoided going to the first floor today at detroit because i knew rice was down there, so i couldn't get mad and punch those idiots for their huge wings lol. GAY . Do people do imports just to be different? or they think chics dig them from a fawkin movie, because this whole fad was started from a movie. Get over it. fast n furious vroom vroom .. I'll see u on the street, bring some $$$$$$$ ur gonna need it.

[SVT THIS]

f1 sorry buddy wrong charger. and ya my cars slow lol, everything i have is stock, i dont see to many used superchargers laying around so no luck on a 500used junk. efficient, u can then research the turbo vs s/c debate on that one. TWo diff sides. 7's tube chassis. h......?? what go to www.erieknights.com purple camaro 10.5 its all there also z28 don's car is all there, very misleading knocking muscle cars on a muscle car site, I purposely avoided going to the first floor today at detroit because i knew rice was down there, so i couldn't get mad and punch those idiots for their huge wings lol. GAY . Do people do imports just to be different? or they think chics dig them from a fawkin movie, because this whole fad was started from a movie. Get over it. fast n furious vroom vroom .. I'll see u on the street, bring some $$$$$$$ ur gonna need it.
7 sec is far from 10.5... yo

[GTG FSTR]

:postwhore

This post seems to have got way outta hand here. I mean Rick's point is that there are many other american cars with respectful amounts of power some happen to be FWD.

The original reason for the post is the stickers. I am not a member, maybe someday in the future hope to be but as of now I am not. I as well as many others on the board never knew the sticker difference? My take on what I gather is the red means the "serious ride" or the reason behind being in the club a RWD american ride.

I like and understand the rules, yet can see where it excludes certain Big Three pet projects. The ones I am specking about are the Cobalt SS the SRT-4 and the many LS4 and northstar powered GM's. Lets me make this clear. I do not own, do not daily drive, nor have one of these vehicles. I state this because everyone is jumping down Ricks throat about wanting a FWD in this club. (HE DOESN'T) his GTP is his dd and yea its a fun ride, his point is the B3 not only have good RWD cars they also have good FWD and AWD vehicles as well. His pride and joy is his 02 WS6 which I might add before it was torn down ran stock 13.19's entirely factory with a 4spd auto and 3.42 factory gears. Considering alot of 6spds I see out can't run those times with mods.

yea and btw guys Justins eclipse, isn't some ricer or sticker jockey or wing dinger like the rest of them. His car is asides from hood is a full weight ride. Compare it to the Mustang world Ricer=stickers+big wing+stereo Mustang=LX+R-GT/Saleen+a little Steeda for effect. Now this is not a comment about all Stang drivers but you know the kind I am talking about. At least I hope you do. If you don't have a clear idea about that last comment DON'T REPLY THEN THINK ABOUT IT.... Point is..bottom line, yea its mitsu but he is as serious a car guy as the rest of us, no lights show car here or for the chics its a decent ride.

Oh yea your now twelve pages into this Congradulations...want a cookie???

[10secvega]

7 sec is far from 10.5... yo
It's a 7 sec 10.5 inch tire car!!

[9secmach1]

:boxing: :tooth: :popcorn: I think you guys should all meet someplace and kick each others asses. :chair:

[Master-Shake]

:boxing: :tooth: :popcorn: I think you guys should all meet someplace and kick each others asses. :chair:

"STREET FIGHT!!"

[onefastermonte85]

i'm a lover not a fighter :) but i'll street race.. if people want to build imports thats their decision cool, their are some fast ones i dont knock that, and if you go fast thats cool if you build it non riced up thats even more cool. Just don't defend "ricers" when people rip on them, because if a guy has hot rodded import thats done up correctly its generally not considered a RICER. Ricers are trash, tuner cars are cool, Reggies are trash. The kid said something about me liking reggies thats where i snapped, he should reframe from that kind of talk, and maybe i wont be so harsh to him.

[EVIL_WS6]

His pride and joy is his 02 WS6 which I might add before it was torn down ran stock 13.19's entirely factory with a 4spd auto and 3.42 factory gears.

13.21 with 3.23's. I love that car. :)

I can't wait to get it back together and get the Buick redone. Then you all could go to hell for all I care. :angel:

[SVT THIS]

i'm a lover not a fighter :) but i'll street race.. if people want to build imports thats their decision cool, their are some fast ones i dont knock that, and if you go fast thats cool if you build it non riced up thats even more cool. Just don't defend "ricers" when people rip on them, because if a guy has hot rodded import thats done up correctly its generally not considered a RICER. Ricers are trash, tuner cars are cool, Reggies are trash. The kid said something about me liking reggies thats where i snapped, he should reframe from that kind of talk, and maybe i wont be so harsh to him.
Tuners are the same as ricers aren't they? Still based off the same concept... ones fast one isn't, still all rice burners yo!

[Z28]

While we're on this sticker abuse thread, I changed my rear glass on the Z28 an will need another Knights sticker to drag down the track at 150+++ for spring. Does Dennis have the order forms ready yet? It'd be asshame not to have one on one of the faster cars at a race.

[onefastermonte85]

$5 bucks and you can have a erie one lol, well come to two meetings first and get voted on, or how would that work? can you transfer membership over? if i move to y town do i have to get voted in lol, anyhow

tuners are not ricers. ricer is a personality a type of delinquency. I hate delinquents, why i work with them, i can't stand thugs or posers, and i think ricers are wannabe's they can't have the real thing so they try to mock us and make the real guys look like azzholes. the real imports that are fast are tuners, their imports designed to go fast and are, well some. The 1/2 and 1/2 ricer/tuner, don't recieve much respect because well hmm.. lets put it this way they dont know if their gay or straight yet.

[Red11secGSX]

$500 is what that Turbo was new and it wasn't used.

[onefastermonte85]

u should run kevins vega its just a lil wee turbo :)

[mean83sc]

This is good stuff :drool:

[GTG FSTR]

u should run kevins vega its just a lil wee turbo :)

Umm, isn't that the stock turbo he's running? In that case it is small. I mean sure you can make decent power but the technology of that unit is way out dated and far limited. I would think you used the stocker turbo for the build then change it out???

[SVT THIS]

u should run kevins vega its just a lil wee turbo :)
I wouldn't even let that thing run next to me in fear of it falling apart...

[onefastermonte85]

http://www.eriestreetmachines.com/forum/html/emoticons/piss2.gifhttp://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y32/MYLSWON/My%2005%20SRT-4/srtblack.gif

[SVT THIS]

maybe i should buy a g body...then ill be cool, right?

[onefastermonte85]

gary what side r u going to take ,, the trans or the ricer side....

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/rice/1/0F448C96-C3B6-4619-85D2-3D79333AEE1F.htm